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STEVE ELLS replied to the topic 'cessna 172rg landing gear question' in the forum. 4 days ago

Hi Matt; I realize I didn't really provide hardly any information on the 172RG in my response last week. And I'm sorry for my curt answer.
One thing you can do very easily is to type "Cessna 172RG POH" into your favorite search engine and in seconds you'll have access to a POH for the 172RG. Red Sky Ventures often has these manuals.
I asked before and I'm wondering what about the 172RG has whetted your interest??
As I mentioned in my last post, many 172RGs piled up a lot of airframe time due to being used in training.
Since the FAA changed the rules and no longer requires a commercial pilot applicant to fly a retractable, gear, constant speed propeller airplane many 172RGs are coming on the market.
There are two ways to buy an airplane. But one that needs work or an extensive avionics upgrade and plow money into it until it's up to what you want, or buy the best equipped and best looking airplane you can afford, and then fly it. I usually advise buyers to take the second route unless they are very handy and a local A & P mechanic is willing to supervise and sign off your work.

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STEVE ELLS replied to the topic '182S cabin water leak' in the forum. 2 weeks ago

Hi SloRoam;
It's my experience that most of the leaks are at the rear window. I wish I could provide a more definite trouble shooting procedure. I have heard of putting a water hose on the top skin of the cabin and turning on the water to try to observe where it's coming in. I suppose you could even add some food coloring dye to a few gallons of water and then spray or trickle it down the top fuselage skin. Look for the colored water.
Certainly water can come in through the fuel line opening if there is a gap in the skin overlap. As I recall, the inboard upper skin on the top surface of the wing overlaps the fuselage skin at the wing root. If you suspect the leak is there, you can temporarily seal that overlap joint with some tape to see if sealing that overlap joint stops water from getting in.
Or as I have written in the past, if you can't hangar your airplane consider buying a canopy/fuselage cover. Most owners have heard of and seen windshield covers but few realize that reputable companies also sell covers that cover a lot more than the windshield. www.customcovers.com is a well known company that manufactures and sell what it calls "over-the-top" covers and "extended over-the-top" covers that will cover all the windows.
If you can get the carpet dried out quickly after the rain water gets in, and the drain holes in the fuselage belly are open, the entry of rain water shouldn't cause too many problems in the long run.
Please let us know what you find out.

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SloRoam replied to the topic '182S cabin water leak' in the forum. 2 weeks ago

I also have a leak in a 182k. I removed the carpet, and I only see water on the Port side aft of the door area. I will be doing some more panel removal to see if I can find the source, but curious if I. Addition to the rear window there are also issues at the wing root or where the fuel line descends?

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STEVE ELLS replied to the topic 'cessna 172rg landing gear question' in the forum. 2 weeks ago

Hi Matt;
The landing gear system of the 172RG is very simple and is the last iteration of Cessna's retractable LG systems. So the system itself is good.
Unfortunately the parts in the landing gear system known as the pivots are extremely expensive. The landing gear legs slide into the pivots, which look something like the Y of a slingshot.
The pivots transfer the load from the landing gear to the fuselage therefore if a 172RG has been used in flight training--many were since it was built to comply with the mandate that Commercial pilot students must log some hours in a retractable gear, airplane with a constant speed prop--it has probably had many more landings than flight hours. And as everyone knows, once in a while all airplanes suffer hard landings.
My suggestion is that you buy a 172RG on the condition that the landing gear pivots pass a dye penetrant inspection for cracks. This will require the airplane to be jacked up, the landing gear legs and pivots be removed, the paint be stripped off the pivots before the dye penetrant test is done.
No cracks?? Buy it if it's equipped with the gear you want.
Why are you looking for a 172RG??

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Hi Tim;
The 1964 210 is a good airplane. Cessna had gotten most of the bugs out of the early model 210s by 1964.
I strongly suggest you take this airplane to Phil Kirkham and his crew at Coastal Valley Aviation in Santa Maria, CA (KSMX) for the pre buy. Phil has extensive knowledge of the Cessna 210 series. The phone there is 805-928-7701.
My recommendation is to get the seller to agree to an annual inspection since the definition and scope of a "pre-buy" varies from shop to shop.
A full on annual is the only way you will know about the airworthiness of this 210. And the only way you'll have the information you'll need to negotiate with the seller on the final price.
You're wise in being a little bit hesitant to take it to a shop that specializes in Beechcraft airplanes. Both airplanes have wings, tail, engines and cabin but there are many details of each that are known only to experienced maintainers of that model of airplane.

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Ok.....I have been on the search for several months and have found an 1964 210D that "looks" good and its local to me here in the California central valley. As a first time buyer I am a bit apprehensive, especially since the airplane is from the mid 1960's. Anyway I have read enough to know I need a pre-purchase form someone with experience with the make\model being inspected. I do have some contacts that have been referred to me that can perform the pre-purchase however they tend to be Beehcraft experts. Is there a resource to find local or semi-local shop\firm that can do an inspection and have experience with 210's? Thanks for any advise.

Tim

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STEVE ELLS replied to the topic 'Propeller' in the forum. 2 weeks ago

Hi Johnny,
That's not an easy question to answer. Advertising often says one thing, real life numbers seldom match the sales department numbers.
Hartzell advertising doesn't quote a number; it says: Better take-off and climb performance
Better cruise performance
Noise reduction
Longer TBO
Improved appearance
Current design.
You will be getting a new prop and the design of both the blades and the hub has been upgraded.
How much does the "better take-off, climb and cruise performance" translate to in real numbers?
I don't know.
Sorry I can't help more.

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STEVE ELLS replied to the topic 'continental TSIOL 550 A switch back to a TSIO 520 NB' in the forum. 2 weeks ago

Hi Sorry it's take so long to get to your question.
The TSIOL engines were installed under a STC by RAM Aircraft of Waco, Texas.
I spoke with the sales department at RAM and was told that your airplane can be converted back to the TSIO-520 NB engines but RAM recommended that the conversion be done at its facility in Waco, due to the extensive sheet metal rework needed to remove the liquid cooling system components.
When you call RAM (254)752-8381 ask to talk to one of the representatives in the sales department.

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Heather S created a new topic ' Calling all floatplane flyers...' in the forum. 2 weeks ago

Do you have a Cessna on floats? This is the place to post your floatplane/amphibious aircraft photos and stories! Let's see your pride and joy. Share a memorable flight with your fellow Cessna Flyer Association members.

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Glenn Lipsett created a new topic ' 414a with tsiol 550a engines liquid cooling' in the forum. 4 weeks ago

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Jerry Lowery replied to the topic 'replacing headliner in my '64 182G' in the forum. 4 weeks ago

I am Jerry Lowery the one who asked for help and advice on thew headliner replacement for my 1964 Skylane. I had two great responses, one from Kent Dellenbush who recommended that I contact Dennis Wolter At Airmod.com.. Mr. Wolter listened to my set of circumstances and recommend that I call AirTex.
I also got an email from Steve Ells who had the same advice. With that kind of advice I felt comfortable pulling the trigger. New Wool Headliner is being fabricated now. Will share photos and experience at the conclusion this project. Thanks to
All.

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Johnny Walker created a new topic ' Propeller' in the forum. 4 weeks ago

Propeller upgrade to Scimitar, how much airspeed increase over factory original Propeller ?

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george douglas replied to the topic 'Where to purchase Seat Tracks' in the forum. 4 weeks ago

Thanks, I have the rails on order from them.
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matt marek created a new topic ' cessna 172rg landing gear question' in the forum. 4 weeks ago

Hi, I'm in the early stages of looking into buying a cessna 172rg. I've owned a cessna 150 in the past and sold it a few years back. I was hoping I could get some 172rg owners to chime in. I've heard that you need to have to gear looked at really well in a pre-buy. I've also heard they can be a nightmare if you need to fix or replace parts. Is this true and have people had lots of problems with them often? Are owners worried about gear up landing or is that more of a pilot problem not following the check list? Is their anything else besides the gear that needs to be looked out for? Any info that could be helpful would be great. I'm sure I'll have more questions as I get into the buying more. Thanks

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